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cornerofmadness ([personal profile] cornerofmadness) wrote2012-03-25 03:00 pm
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Writerly Ways

I’ve been thinking a lot about The Hunger Games. Honestly, I wasn’t all that impressed with the book. It’s pretty much Battle Royale and The Running Man with a cute girl lead. However, the one thing that makes me cheer it on is that it IS a girl lead. Another moment of honesty, I don’t get that worked up if there are mostly male characters in a story. I DO get upset if the girl is only there to weep, wail and get captured every moment.

When it comes down to it, I’d rather the tweens get excited by a strong girl like Katniss than Bella. But it did get me thinking about my own writing. I’m more comfortable writing men. I do not know why. I just am. Even when I start out writing a female lead eventually a male lead crops up and takes over. The closest I’ve come is Splinters of Silver and Cold Iron with Tazia Dragonetti and Machiavelli Moon with Maddelena (who is an older female well at least in vampire years).

I think some of my unhappiness with the female lead stems from childhood where we often didn’t see any or the ones we did see were rather bitchy. I’ve always found C.J. Cherryh’s females to be more bitch than strong though the Nebulas and Hugos she’s been lauded with don’t seem to mind.

The other day two challenges came to mind, one fannish and one original. Granted, it would be a hard challenge to do so I will put it out there more as a request, I’d love to see some of my friends try doing a strong female lead (YA or otherwise). If you’re doing it, I’d be interested in seeing the result.

Also I thought this might be of interest. I got it from my author’s list. It discusses when and how to use social media to promote your latest work. When to use social media to promote your work


Total word count –

22511 / 75000 words. 30% done!

Kept Tear –

13420 / 17000 words. 79% done! (yes I shifted the word count up)

Geeklove – currently abandoned because of deadline issues and work. I’ll come back to it later sadly

Machiavelli Moon – unedited

Splinters & Until the Ice Breaks – ditto

Riding with Strangers – got a scene done. Imagine that!

All my help this charity stories are in limbo STILL. I am SO sorry.

[identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com 2012-03-26 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I would think that most women would find writing female leads as natural and yet that isn't always the case which I find interesting. I wrote them more when I was younger and have wondered if me being in traditionally male jobs had an affect on that

There weren't that many when we were young and now I hear people complaining about fantasy getting too 'girlie.' now THAT irritates me
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[identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com 2012-03-26 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Most of the women I know write male leads, but then, most of the women writers I know are fan fic writers on LJ/DW.

That frustrates the hell out me, not knowing many female writers who are naturally drawn to female characters.

[identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com 2012-03-26 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
interesting and yes I can see why that's a problem. I love a strong female lead, Buffy, Scully, your icon etc. i want to create one which is where my frustration is coming from
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[identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com 2012-03-26 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
My worry is no one will want to read my new story, which is sci-fi/fantasy, because the two main characters are both women and over thirty.

[identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
honestly I can see why you would be. Then again more women than ever are reading genre fiction (though a huge chunk of those are teens)
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[identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
I'd assume women would read it. But will men?

[identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
they love the Honor Harrington stuff so probably
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[identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder what the Once Upon a Time viewer demographics are like.

[identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
no clue.

[identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Aren't women most of the book-buying market, though, at least for fiction? Do you NEED men to read your story for it to be a success?
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[identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
No, but I don't want my story to get pegged as "women's fiction", either.
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[identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Because it brings a lot of unfair prejudices to people's minds. My writing, for example, is pretty low on romantic elements that people, fairly or unfairly, associate with the label "women's fiction." On the other hand, there is a strong emphasis on family relationships, which is also associated with women's fiction.

I would hope they would just see it as a cool sci-fi/urban fantasy story and not pre-judge what the content is upfront and pass it over for that reason.

[identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
That does sound like a tricky marketing issue.

On the other hand, you're not going to get every reader, and with the female reading audience being a pretty significant one, what's the value in sweating the audience you might be losing to 'girl cooties'?

That's not a rhetorical question; I think 'how much ground do we give to other people's prejudices'/ how much do we let it compromise our work is a legitimate issue!
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[identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, so far it hasn't compromised my work, because I write about what I want to write about. I write about it and worry that it might get unfairly pigeon-holed. I don't think that's irrational.

[identity profile] likeadeuce.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
To me it seems the only response is to fight that dismissiveness, by doing good work and doing what you can to get an accurate picture of it out there.

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[identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com 2012-03-27 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Alas, writers must become marketers. It sucks, but it's true.

[identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com 2012-03-28 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
I'm with you on this point. It not only sucks. It is also hard
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[identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com 2012-03-28 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
It's just not the same skill set at ALL.

[identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com 2012-03-28 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
no and traditionally that's what that huge precentage to the publisher was supposed to cover. That bothers me more than a bit

[identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com 2012-03-28 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
In SF, men are the primary driving force but that is changing getting closer to 50/50. Any other genre and I wouldn't worry too much