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And I just came across this and boy does it sum up how I feel. Last night I nearly deleted Soldiers of the Sun. I knew it would be rough. It was a nano novel after all. But I thought it was good. I thought it was solid. I really thought I'd have it out of here by now and be waiting on a contract.

And now as I go over it, it's like crap. And it's all related to the sexual content. Now it is erotica. But I'm afraid it's reading more like porn. I wanted to illustrate that Temple is using sex as a crutch and is spiralling down, out of control.

I'm not sure it reads that way. I know it reads without emotion. And in some ways all the sexual forays make it choppy. And I'm stuck for ways to fix it.

Do I delete most of the sex scenes entirely?

Do I try to give them more emotional content (something I admittedly am not good at)?

Do I keep them but do more fade to blacks except for the more pertinent ones?

Would shoving in more action scenes help or take away from the main plot even more? And what kind of action scenes? I can't make too much of the main enemy because he's the finale. Other than that it's nothing but a bunch of human thugs? Do I jam in more random demons? I've done that at least twice already?

Do I just delete the whole thing as a piece of crap?

I know it's really not. I know it can be saved if I can figure out how.

It has two sets of eyes on it. It probably needs more but that is easier said than done.

Wish I knew what to do.
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Date: 2014-05-27 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
thanks. Believe me. I understand (I am not exactly doing that great on beta reading myself.

I appreciate it.

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Date: 2014-05-27 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katimac8.livejournal.com
As a beta reader up to chapter 11, I have to say it's keeping my interest. Make the sex scenes shorter or only hint at them, but the story itself is moving along. Fill it out more with non-sexual material. Leave some of the sex in if the crutch aspect is what you were going for. As a reader, I had no idea as of yet that the sex was a crutch issue. That could be a problem. But the plot seems to be moving along and the characters are interesting. Maybe put this one aside and come back to it later if you're not up to a re-write.

Re: Delete Key

Date: 2014-05-27 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
thank you. I think I need to get into Temple's head more. Actually a fight scene where he is thinking suicide by demon or something might be helpful. I think all the fight scenes so far are in Caleb's head.

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Date: 2014-05-27 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evil-little-dog.livejournal.com
Oh, that would probably be very helpful, a fight scene in Temple's head.

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Date: 2014-05-28 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
I'd have to figure out what they're fighting and where to jam it that it doesn't completely derail the story

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Date: 2014-05-28 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evil-little-dog.livejournal.com
You might be able to keep it in Caleb's POV, too - one of them sees Temple's left himself way too open, or he does something beyond daring and into the stupid, and then Temple thinks about it later, maybe upset it didn't work.

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Date: 2014-05-28 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
also a possibility. thanks

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Date: 2014-05-28 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evil-little-dog.livejournal.com
You're welcome.

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Date: 2014-05-31 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katimac8.livejournal.com
Not having read the previous books, it comes across to me as more of an omniscient view, not an character in particular. Just more of an ensemble cast.

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Date: 2014-05-31 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
Oh it is more omiscient but they do trade off being the pov character. I'll go back and look at the beginning to see how to fix this if it can be fixed

Date: 2014-05-27 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiramaru7.livejournal.com
Would you like me to read to it & let you know what I think? Maybe I can see something you're not & get you pointed in the right direction. It's worth a shot & I'd love a good read. :D

Date: 2014-05-27 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
Sure, that would be wonderful. this is the story you've done art for. PM me your address and thank you.

Date: 2014-05-27 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiramaru7.livejournal.com
:D Yeah? Awesomeness! :D

Home or email? XD

Date: 2014-05-27 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
email. I can send at least the first ten chapters or something (or send the document and the first 10-12 chapters have at least been gone over once. I keep changing the villains names. I need to fix that but that's an easy fix)

Date: 2014-05-27 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiramaru7.livejournal.com
Okay, that works for me. Just put something in the subject line so I know it's you as everything tends to wind up in junk on me. XD

Date: 2014-05-27 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
will do and I see the address. Thanks

Date: 2014-05-27 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiramaru7.livejournal.com
You're welcome & thank you! :D

Date: 2014-05-27 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silvrethorn.livejournal.com
My writers' group has been slacking off of late, so if you want to send me the manuscript, I can eyeball it for plot problems. And if you're amenable, I can run it by my friend Laurel, who is blessed with a natural talent for emotional writing. She's very good at suggesting where and how to ramp up the emotional content, so you might find her input helpful.

Date: 2014-05-27 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
thanks. I can do that. I've only been over it up to ch 14. I think I will fix the name issues with the bad guys first.

If you think that threeway sex between men won't bother her, that would be fine.

Date: 2014-05-27 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silvrethorn.livejournal.com
I'll ask Laurel if she minds reading erotica. If she objects, I can send her the non-sex bits and see what character-building suggestions she might have. Hopefully she can provide insights on your characters that could help you over some of the hurdles you've faced in fleshing them out. She has an intuitive character sense that's been very helpful to our group.

Date: 2014-05-28 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
that would be helpful. Thank you.

Another issue is the 30's slang. I didn't make much effort with it in the first three in the series because of the short deadlines and the research needed. I wanted a bit more than I have now but not so much that it sounds like a bad P.I. Noir

Date: 2014-05-28 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silvrethorn.livejournal.com
I'll see what I can do about the historical flavor. I have major resources for that period, so hopefully I can make suggestions to beef up the sense of the time (the sense of place I'll leave to you, since I've never been to Pittsburgh).

Date: 2014-05-28 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
The Pittsburgh aspect is well researched. I'd appreciate any help you can give me. I just made more work for myself than i realized in doing a name change...

Date: 2014-05-28 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wildrider.livejournal.com
I'm not sure if I've read any of this one, but just as a thought (something I was considering doing myself with some of mine), is strip out ALL the sex and see what's standing there without those scenes. If it's tight, then gradually ease the sex back in to get it back to erotica.

Date: 2014-05-28 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
No I don't believe you have. I've not given it to Link. You may have read others in the series (they're published)

I think that's not a bad idea. I've been marking scenes like that right now and I'll hand it to the first readers and see what they think. Some have to stay. Others I know can go or at least fade to black. Upon rereading it to do a name change that probably didn't need doing (way to make m ore work) I did find it wasn't that bad until chapters 12-16 then it got ridiculous.

and thanks
Edited Date: 2014-05-28 03:55 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-05-29 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wildrider.livejournal.com
It's like with the one I'm showing the Link group now -- I KNOW I have a story there, but it's so meandering and HARD TO GET DOWN!!! It's been fighting me every step of the way.

Date: 2014-05-29 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
Ugh, I get that. I really do (if it helps I like what I've seen so far).

The one I will showcase in Link this time will be one that I started as a Nano and I like it a lot (diselpunk mystery)but it's not done for the same reasons.

Well with other eyes on this (even though they might be scary eyes) i hope to kick it into shape. It's really depressing me and I know you've been sort of feeling that way too.

Date: 2014-05-28 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katimac8.livejournal.com
Actually, if you're going to have Temple heading into suicide by demon territory, you need to build up to it. He has Daddy issues, sure. He is melancholy over the loss of Li. Uh-huh. But so far he hasn't shown any severe depressive behaviors. Where would the suicide come from? You need to amp the grief over the loss of Li and have one or two more fights with his father and family, maybe even his supportive friends. THEN you can put the suicidal thoughts in his head and an abortive attempt at suicide by demon, and sort of toe in the water attempt.

Date: 2014-05-28 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornerofmadness.livejournal.com
or just a reminder he's already tried it in a previously published story which is why the novel opens with him having a severely bruised neck.

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